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« on: November 10, 2011, 08:21:15 PM »

How about it jdmmonkey, imagine a sweet full JDM functional hot hatch that's light, powerful and agile for us to race that's branded with Toyama Racing Spirit all over because it can be a demo car running all of the systems that you have available..... now if you built a car which superhero would be brave enough to take the fight to the rest of the car world hmmmmmmm that's a easy one I pick me Kiss
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 08:33:23 PM »

Imagine http://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/japan%20car/honda/integra/8597987/
or imagine http://www.tradecarview.com/used_car/japan%20car/honda/civic/8597125/
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 07:33:19 AM »

Otherwise we should get a old 280ZX and mod the hell out of it for race days as a display car
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 07:40:42 AM »

If everyone contributed financially towards it - sure. I'm not going to be the only one ploughing cash into this sort of project. I've got my own (two of them).
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 07:45:04 AM »

Lol I would consider pushing cash towards something to race as soon as I have a bit of breathing space again buddy but I'm greedy lol I'd prob try put in the largest share so I could be the race driver lol but just been looking at the junk the have for sale in our secondhand cars market and it just makes me sad hey, would be great if they made it easier to get stuff from Japan.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 07:49:09 AM »

But the question is would you be willing to place parts on a particular car for instance say if I bought it myself but the parts wouldn't technically belong to the car, they'd just be for demo purposes and if the car was sold all parts would have to be removed and sold off
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 07:53:35 AM »

It's a very simple idea provided everyone stuck to plan:

1.) Chassis cost is split and when vehicle is sold, Chassis amount is divided/.
2.) Any parts that are put on the vehicle are the property of the purchaser. If the parts fail, that's your problem. If it's a mechanical issue - for example a rod going through the block, it's a team problem - no matter who broke it. Sometimes unfair but it's the way it is.
3.) This cost money
4.) Everyone putting money into the build deserves just as much right as the next guy to track it. We all require licenses for the track and it would be necessary to determine the best fit for formal competition. No one just becomes the team driver. It's a team, we all work together to find the driver among us.
5.) Tyres cost but I can work a deal there.

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 07:56:56 AM »

Hmmm was almost about to say epic fail but almost seems like this somehow could work, more research is needed though. It would prob be an epic fail if I managed to buy the car myself and then asked you to fit on every part you had to help demo them and then removed them if the car had no further use for your company but that sounds like something nobody would get involved in
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2011, 08:05:50 AM »

Bang bang bang this idea is shot down somebody fetch a spade and a some flowers
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 08:09:17 AM »

Here's the thing, the discipline is important, is circuit, oval, time attack sprints etc. Then the motor decision to attain the level of power required as well as aftermarket support available.

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The chassis to fit the motor into. Don't do the other way around while planning or you're going to shoot yourself in the foot (unless the chassis can accept various widely adopted motors in industry)
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 08:09:43 AM »

Bang bang bang this idea is shot down somebody fetch a spade and a some flowers

You shooting your own idea down? Don't see anyone else packing.  Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 08:20:22 AM »

Well the cheapest rolling shell that'll take pretty much anything in SA is the Golf mk1 and it handles but it's German technically, so looked into hondas but vtecs are too pricey and all lower hondas are too weak, so looked into toyotas and yet again RSi is too pricey yet lower versions are too weak, so looked into 280ZX but pretty much the whole car has to be dismantled and nissan parts seem expensive and a majority of the 280ZXs for sale are auto it seems and in need of everything been fixed, another decent option is the alfa gtv 2 litre 79 to 82 because it's cheap and has sidedrafts standard and rear wheel drive hatch but two flaws are it's not Jap and alfa parts are rare for the older versions and unreliable, unfortunately our sa market doesn't give much to work with even the nissan exa turbo is overpriced and outdated heavily. Looked at civic type Rs straight from Japan but due to our importation things they seem too pricey just to import as a racecar alone. The two most reliable Jap options for racecars seem to be between the RSi or Vtec but for a basic old version are we really willing to spend R60000? As I said a golf with engine and everything a GTi is like 10k for a alright fixer upper but German........ why the hell do people have to price the other cars out of the market
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2011, 08:26:05 AM »

It's a tough one and agree to all you said however don't rule out:

EF Ballade
CRX 88 - 89
Chisel shape 'rolla
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2011, 08:27:31 AM »

If anyone can find a shell of an MR2, I could work with this too.
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2011, 08:27:52 AM »

Buy A PRELUDE!!!!! R20K
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2011, 08:32:08 AM »

Prelude can work, balance out the box isn't great - honestly - it just isn't until you start playing around with the right bits like I did.

Work this out - a certain pass in South Africa, very twisty:

11:14am - 27.67km covered (Nürburgring Nordschleife is around 26km) - Lap time: 07:58.98

Vehicle: Prelude BB6

You just can't do that with a stock setup (not without near death experiences... many)
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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2011, 08:36:48 AM »

CRX goes for around 50 to 60k if it's in good condition, seems any for less normally have some major chassis damage etc.

Don't like the idea of a non vtec prelude cause the whole idea of a decent base it to perhaps have a heart to match.

And anybody that has a honda even a pop up light one seems to want 20k for it and that rolling chassis is nowhere on the means of competitive as is
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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2011, 08:39:29 AM »

I mean a Civic Vtec or even Ballade Vtec have a great suspension setup, great little engine that can perform even just with ECU and induction and exhaust can be competitive, it has great stock brakes and if the time is taken to weight reduce it wow can really be a little monster. The cheapest one I've seen is now 40k in pta for some reason they're selling it that cheap so one thinks hmmmmm what major part is broken on this car
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2011, 08:40:41 AM »

Sorry if this souds contrite, but give me a 91 lude with H22 engine and some minor suspension work and a sledge hammer and i know the drive on the car well enougth to say i will kill most cars
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2011, 08:48:09 AM »

H22 isn't so well supported, but out the box, in that frame will move! With the right suspension can work.

Some study material for you guys. Much R&D suspension wise, look at average cornering speeds ;-)

Back on topic though. I am not sure Honda interests me very much for track *shocker*
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2011, 08:50:13 AM »

PS: I'm leaning towards old Miata. Wide arched and slammed on slicks.
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2011, 08:54:34 AM »

The thing is it has to be NA not turbocharged, high revving, great handling, light, can be FWD or RWD depending on it's balance. Only reason I pulled the Vtec card is because the motor is reliable and hard working, what the driver puts in the motor puts out. Looked at the MR2 with the EW20 engine and it just doesn't call out to me, not the stats on paper but the car as a whole. And I'm a rotary fan but I wouldn't waste money on a RX2 because it costs alot to make that engine competitive. Don't want a 200sx because it doesn't catch me as a track fighter and don't like that it's turbocharged. Is there a car that's magical from Japan here in South Africa that we're overlooking even if it's old school?
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2011, 08:56:24 AM »

Yes, MX5/Miata  Cool

The really old one!
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2011, 09:00:17 AM »

it's got to be said it is well balanced and wayne would like driving it cause it is a hairdressers car but I'm not sold on it as an option, it's just a machine if you know what I mean, where's it's heart even a chisel nose conquest RSi has heart but the MX5 is a car you slap on the track, the motor doesn't truly roar and it handles I give it that but you don't feel like you're really one with the track plus any driver can make that well balanced car look good
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2011, 09:03:06 AM »

 dude... where is this?? and is the graph the road layout?
 Dam... some serious shit there..

and the MX5/miata will be an awesome 1st time track car, fast and very forgiving
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