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« on: February 28, 2009, 01:02:39 AM »

AS I promised in the new reqruits board, here's a topic on my engine build.

I had for long toyed with the idea of building a 2.2 DOHC (I wanted to see one since the early nineties, but I back then all I had was a moped...) and turbo it mildly, perhaps 350hp. Things started to roll in december 2007...

In november 2007 I purchased an R2 crank for a reasonable price; R2's the 2.2l diesel version of the FE engine. The greatest and best difference to a F2 crank is the R2 is forged. It also has a few, not so positive differences; the oil pump and the flywheel bolt pattern are different. The flywheel uses an 8-bolt pattern as opposed to 6 of FE. That can be a blessing in disguise, as 8 bolt pattern is better for torque. The oil pump had no up sides to it though; it was a tiny crescent gear pump, not nearly good enough for the RPMs a gas engine can achieve.



I had stored away an older FE DOHC from an engine swap to another GTI in 1998. The storage was supposed to be dry, but that was obviously not the case! Evidence here:


I wasn't worry about the appearance too much, because the internals on bottom end looked rather good and the back end wasnt in too bad a condition either:



However once I got the head off, the good mood took a significant drop. This sight was what I saw:


And sure enough, corrosion had eaten deep into cylinder walls.


That block might still serve as a wet sleeved engine, but back then it was as good as scrap. Fortunately I got a good block for very reasonable price from a fellow mazda enthusiast at the Finnish mazda forum, so I got to continue working on the engine. I sent the block to the machinist right away for 86.5mm bore. This was to ensure the cylinders were true and straight, not CC increase. (The engine is now 2210cc, though I still consider it a 2.2).

Here's a photo of the R2 crank sitting in the FE block.



A perfect fit! Things slowed down considerably after this, evident by the fact I'm still at it. I won't drop the whole load here and now and then make you wait for indefinite periods for next updates, so I'll get back on the subject soonish Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 10:21:12 AM »

welcome to the site,with the forged crank i take it you are not building the car as a daily driver,what power output are you planning on making and what other mods will you be doing to the motor?
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 12:42:41 PM »

welcome to the site,with the forged crank i take it you are not building the car as a daily driver,what power output are you planning on making and what other mods will you be doing to the motor?

All in good time Smiley My goal is to have a good power band on the engine, the maximum output should be around 500hp but my true inspiration is good power throughout the RPM range. It will probably not be a daily driver, but if I reach my goals, it wouldn't be too difficult to handle in everyday street traffic. I'm mostly concerned with the maintenance costs...

Anyway, on the bottom end.

The crank bolt pattern posed a slight obstacle; 8-bolt instead of 6. The diesel flywheel is very heavy and I didn't want that, and I wasn't too sure if the Kia flywheel (which had 8-bolt pattern too) would've been any better. I contacted a local billet shop, Tommi's Billet and asked for a flywheel. They agreed to do one, and that matter was settled quickly. After a while, here's what I got:


an all-aluminium flywheel, weighing about 6kg. The next stage was to get a clutch to handle the power, and Fidanza had a solution:



Fidanza 4.3 6-puck clutch, good for 710Nm! How the gear box will handle it is a totally different matter, and yet to be settled....

The bearings are ACL Duraglide 780 series, which ran cheaper than OEM bearings. The top layer is REALLY soft so great care is needed not to score them.

Right when the bottom end was my greatest concern there was a bulk buy concerning forged rods for the engine. I would've preferred longer rods to compensate for the longer stroke, but the price was so good I couldn't pass it. While it looked like the deal would go through, I ordered a set of Wiseco pistons; after messing about with various off-the-shelf pistons (Nissan SR20DET specifically), the only really good solution remained to be ordering a custom set, sto that's what I did.



32mm compression height, 8.5:1 compression ratio, xylan coating, lateral gas vents, anti-knock grooves and an extra gas catch groove. These ought to be great!

What happened next was the rod deal failed. I wanted to have forged rods to last higher boost and RPM (not that originals were bad, they're proven to take almost 500hp) but because the longer stroke and possibility of really high boost I wanted to err on the safe side. I ordered a set of forgies from a Finnish manufacturer, and they arrived in a few weeks. The bill was hideous, but the rods themselves are impeccable:




This was a nasty situation though. If I had known the rod deal fell through, I would've ordered the pistons with 26mm compression height and 156mm rods.

There's little left of work for the bottom end, but there's still two finishing touches I'm planning on getting before I'm done there:

First, there is a possibility of an aluminium crank pulley group buy. That would be great for trigger wheel as there's no ferrous material to interfere, and of course, it's light.

The second item I'm going for is a cast iron journal brace I was designing, which I'm very hopeful gets made.

I think the bottom end is vastly over-engineered, but with that I don't expect it to fail anytime soon.

The next post will be about things going on with the cylinder head.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 04:12:44 PM »

those are some really nice rods and pistons, looks like it will be strong as all hell,i also went the 2.2 route, but as the car is used every day i fitted the 2.2 cast crank,standard FE3 rod and toyota camry piston, i had to cut 1mm off the piston crown to give me a deck height of zero, the piston has a dish of 14cc,using a stock head gasket but i did make a tool up to o-ring the block,using stainless wire, i have just put over 1500km on the motor and have no problems at all,currently i get 10km/ liter fuel consumption and am running 0.5 bar boost till the rings are bedded,it is due to go back to the dyno this week to have the final mapping done and the boost turned up to 1.2bar Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2009, 04:14:13 PM »

oh, and i am also a member on the mx6.com site,although i dont post i do read whats going on every day...
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 08:33:06 AM »

Hey STW, how much you pay for that one off flywheel? It's a good looking piece with a decent weight reduction. How do you think idle/pull away will be affected by the new piece?

Your choice of usable power and not peak power is the type of build I am also to do with my FE, I don't want to wait till the very end of my rpm range before I feel pull. It must be gradual and strong from get go - Superchargers work better for this sort of feeling and may well fabricate a kit for mine.

With a longer stroke I would of opted for forged peices too. Rods do not break under boost but rather "stretch" on the upstroke at higher rpm's. Not a technical explination but something I am sure will be understood by anyone reading this piece.

I like the forged rods you managed to get, how much you pay once more? They look better than local sets I've seen.

In closing, I don't think your decisions are overkill. Sure we can get the same power cheaper, but for how long Wink Your build will last a hellava lot longer than a shortcut build.

Good work and keep us posted!
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 08:16:55 PM »

The flywheel was about 450€ (roughly 630USD at the time, the USD was pretty low then) which actually is the same any big brand flywheel costs here. The rods themselves, well... those were 900€, or 1260USD. They were *very* expensive, but they're said to be extremely high quality, which I don't doubt at all looking them. For those thinking I'm building totally oblivious to costs, I should tell I had to turn down titanium rods after getting a quote of 750€ per rod. FUnny superchargers should be mentioned, I had a few ideas with those Smiley

So, next to the cylinder head. First, here's the gasket:



A multilayered steel gasket, made by Gaskets-to-go, they have *excellent* service. I'm very impressed with the speed of delivery, and the  quality seems perfect.

Valves are VG30DTT valves from ferrea; exhausts are "competition plus" brand, exhausts are super alloy.


There are few very nice features with those. First, the exhaust valve edge is rounded, aiding in scavenging. Intakes have thinned stems, and sharp rims to prevent reversion. Both valves are +1.5mm oversize. I don't think gas exchange will be any problem with these! Ports will have venturi grind and some cleaning up. I'm not going into more exotic porting jobs, perhaps I might get another head for such activities...

Outer valve springs are VR6 springs. They're close enough match, with only a slight trim needed on the lower edge to fit on the FE3N head.

(Stock on the left Wink)
With these, the engine will run to 9k RPM without risk of valve float.

Lifters went through a cleaning process. The manual says a HLA cannot be disassembled; in fact, it's very easy. Just knock it on some relatively soft surface like wood a couple of times, and the little plunger will come off. I cleaned mine in a ultrasonic jewellery cleaner with very strong alkaline detergent. The difference is rather remarkable.

After cleaning, the HLA's were thoroughly dried with compressed and then hot air, and soaked with CRC 5-56.

Cams will be reground FE5A cams, I happen to have one that has a slight corrosion spot on the base circle so they're perfect for the job.

I bought the Fidanza adjusable cam gears from a group buy arranged some time ago (the gears are now available, though no retailers store them at the moment!)


I have two sets, one red and one silver. Main reason for interest in red over silver is protection by anodization.

This bit is purely cosmetics, but I like it no less than the other stuff:


The black is VHT black wrinkle paint. It is very tough and resilient when dry, but it took me two weeks to dry even at relatively warn atmosphere! The letters and stripes were then sanded out. It's the same finish BMW M engines and SAAB Turbos have.

Ignition will be handled by pen coils, I got these from a Toyota Yaris:

They need to be modified a bit to fit into the bay, but that's not a great difficulty.

Stuff I still need to get sorted out before assembling the head: exhaust valve locks. in stock engine, the clamp to each other leaving the valve to spin freely between them. This won't do at all here, so I'll need intake valve locks there too (which clamp onto the stem and does not make parts wear out). The problem is at the dealer they're 10€ apiece. Too steep for an OEM part. Plus, an upgrade part is very likely cheaper, as was the case with head gasket, valves, valve springs and bearings.

Next time will be about intake and engine accessories, but stuff will get sketchy there as I haven't yet even decided all the stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 09:01:12 AM »

Really enjoying your informative write up - re: decisions and reasons for choosing some items.

I am very please to hear gaskets can be made to order from Gaskets-to-go! Very cool. The VG30DTT would have to be modified right? They are longer I think, wasn't sure when I read your post if you meant diameter is different or the length is.

The VR6 springs vs. Stock is a welcome photo I've been looking for! It isn't that much over size, but it does look stronger. The main aspect is the the actual spring rate, I think those are definitely harder, ie: less recoil.

HLA cleaning... I wanted to do this but worried I bugger it up Wink And can't get new ones quick enough. I'll maybe try this some stage or replace all of them because I know mine have collapsed over time.

The Fidanza gears are something I've been searching for. I missed out on the first buy, thought they were available online because there are part #'s already but no luck just yet. If you willing to part with the silver ones, pm me. I may buy them from you at some point (and if you have 2xFE5A's I'd be even happier)

I am not a fan of black DOHC tops but I must say, the wrinkle paint effect makes it look a hell of a lot better!. Did you cover the lettering with vaseline and spray, then part sand off or did you spray the cover completely and sit for hours fine sanding it smooth.

I want to take the lettering on my powder coated cover back to silver. Will have to clear coat if after I guess. How you triggering those coilpacks? The ecu you have support this kind of spark? Very cool. I'm still running the original dizzy, it's fine for now but I think coil on plug's look way better Wink

Cheers for now and look forward to the next update
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 01:58:46 PM »

Really enjoying your informative write up - re: decisions and reasons for choosing some items.

I am very please to hear gaskets can be made to order from Gaskets-to-go! Very cool. The VG30DTT would have to be modified right? They are longer I think, wasn't sure when I read your post if you meant diameter is different or the length is.

There's a few VG30DTT valve mods on the MX6 site, and they didn't need to change a thing Smiley The valve stem is a millimeter or so longer than OEM, not an issue, it's well within HLA's range. If it was shorter a lash cap would have been needed. The thinned section of the shaft runs just across the port, at the valve guide it's back to spec diameter. One thing worthy to note is thatNissan valves do need a "seasoned" head (or valve guides at least). The shaft diameter is 0.05mm larger than nominal diameter on Mazda valves, so on brand new guides they might get stuck.
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The VR6 springs vs. Stock is a welcome photo I've been looking for! It isn't that much over size, but it does look stronger. The main aspect is the the actual spring rate, I think those are definitely harder, ie: less recoil.
Yup, much more closing force! The picture doesn't deliver the same feeling actually holding those does, the VR6 springs feels just so much more substantial. One thing I'm worried about though is when it will bottom out. I feel quite certain that's the limiting factor on valve lift.
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HLA cleaning... I wanted to do this but worried I bugger it up Wink And can't get new ones quick enough. I'll maybe try this some stage or replace all of them because I know mine have collapsed over time.
It's not difficult at all. If you want to be certain, put the HLA's in a pouch so you have no risk of tiny parts going missing, but there will be no little springs flying around any case Smiley Greatest risk is leaving some water trapped in the bucket, the shape does capture water rather easily.
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The Fidanza gears are something I've been searching for. I missed out on the first buy, thought they were available online because there are part #'s already but no luck just yet. If you willing to part with the silver ones, pm me. I may buy them from you at some point (and if you have 2xFE5A's I'd be even happier)
Sorry, all parts are either spoken for or waiting to be put into use :/ Have you contacted Fidanza about the gears? Usually they will deliver if part is not a stockable item.
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I am not a fan of black DOHC tops but I must say, the wrinkle paint effect makes it look a hell of a lot better!. Did you cover the lettering with vaseline and spray, then part sand off or did you spray the cover completely and sit for hours fine sanding it smooth.
I was a bit apprehensive about a black top myself, wanted a red top at first. However when I had to clean a decades old part from black wrinkle paint I got so impressed with it's mechanical and chemical resilience and grew to like it's appearance I changed my mind. I had only taped off the most important areas, like oil filler hole and breather hose nipple, and painted everything over. After the paint was dry, I protected surrounding area with electrician's tape and sanded the letters out with a hard sanding block so letters stayed flat and didn't become pillowed. It only took about half an hour, I started out with 40 grit until I got thin streaks of bare aluminium on the surface, continued with 80 grit and finished off with 120 and finally with 180 grit. It really wasn't too big of a job at all.
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I want to take the lettering on my powder coated cover back to silver. Will have to clear coat if after I guess. How you triggering those coilpacks? The ecu you have support this kind of spark? Very cool. I'm still running the original dizzy, it's fine for now but I think coil on plug's look way better Wink
It'll oxidize pretty quickly, and unlike pure aluminium, not very gracefully. Clear coat is definitely what you need.

I've configured the coil packs to wasted spark setup, though my current ECU would need a buffer circuit, the impedance on two parallel igniters is too low for reliable operation. I built a cable harness that connects the bundle of coils to the ECU via single 5-pin Tyco Ampseal connector, it cleans up the engine bay considerably. I'll go into more detail in the next post.
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Cheers for now and look forward to the next update

Thank you, I will get to it soon Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 06:59:09 PM »

Howzit buddy !
Nice wright up .... keep up the good work

i wana send you a P.M if i may i want to find out something from you

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 07:06:24 PM »

O yes i love the valve cover it looks awsome !!
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 01:10:54 AM »

Heh, thanks Smiley

Here's the accessories... There's not much here yet, as I like to see how things evolve before purchasing something and ending up with a useless part (borderline and highly expensive example being the rod/piston combo Sad)

My original radiator was pretty beat up, here's how it looked like:



All and all, that's only good for showing what 18 years of brine does to car parts.

The new Nissens radiator was built roughly to same size:



but with a slight modification:


the fan was replaced with a slim line fan, though I suspect I have to go front mount fan to make room for the new turbo.


This radiator didn't wait until finishing the build, it went in right away.

VICS Modification and induction piping

As you know the Mazda VICS system (or should!) uses twin induction chambers, I decided to modify mine slightly. Instead of having secondary chamber fed by unused runners, I cut the roof off the secondary chamber, making it one large induction chamber, retaining the VICS butterflies for twin inertia settings. There's few pitfalls that need to be researched when the engine's assembled though. The worked path of the air in stock VICS system improves flow uniformity, something that could create a problem in modified VICS. Also the bellmouthed intakes of long runners might cause some turbulence in short runners. One of the issues obvious from the get-go is the loss of vacuum reservoir. Top portion of the VICS chamber is isolated from the rest of the system with a the formed aluminium gasket. Obviously the VICS cannot operate without vacuum reservoir, as there is none in the induction system when it is needed. The solution was quite simple, a metallic drinking bottle. I found a bicycle drinking bottle at a discount hardware store. The resistance to vacuum is yet to test, though I don't think that would ever pose a problem. The bottle has nice machined threads too, so it will be quite easy to install. The original check valve should do here just fine.



For intercooler, I'm considering an air-to-water intercooler. This is because of controllability, and short ducting. Also it keeps the car front slightly more inconspicuous. Also, just how fun it would be to fill the coolant tank with icy water for the drag strip track days Smiley Downside is obviously complexity, absolute leak proof requirement, and weight.  Again on the positive side, an air-to-water needs only small heat exchanger to cool the water, so radiator blockage is kept considerably smaller. A2W intercooler would be in place of battery and stock air filter box; battery will be relocated in the trunk and stock filter will be replaced with a cone filter.The stock filter isn't quite as bad intake blocker or small element as some seem to think, here's how it looks like rolled into a cylinder:


Anyway, because the stock panel filter would be somewhat difficult to replace with the air box inside the bumper, a cone filter will be the answer, mounted on the turbo intake with ducting and heat shielding. The only cone filter I've seen to have a filtering effect as good as stock panel is the A'pexi dual funnel, so I'll get that one.

Turbo will probably be upper range of Holset series. I haven't purchased one yet, because I don't want to run into conflicting choices anymore. A large Holset might not sound like good choice for flat power curve, but I have some ideas about that and I think I can make it spool just fine.

Engine monitoring and management:

Engine monitoring is basic stuff; water temp, oil temp and pressure, fuel pressure, EGT and so on. The exhaust O2 is monitored by Innovate LC-1 wideband lambda. The LC-1 is really neat piece of equipment with datalogging and all sort of little niceties. Narrow band is really no good here, it only can say if you're over or under stoichiometric ratio, 'how much' is little more than an educated guess. The gauge is G3, which looks like this (sorry I have no picture of my own, I haven't connected it yet..

There's a reason besides aesthetics to choose that particular design gauge face. The 14.7 is exactly at the top, so a leaning needle immediately tells if the engine runs lean or rich. I've tried to match the style and behaviour selecting the other gauges too.

The final ECU will hopefully be FreeEMS, a system based of Freescale 16-bit MCU, currently developed by a voluntary team throughout the world via Internet. The processor has rather impressive number of I/O options, 16 high precision outputs, 16 analog inputs, 16 PWM outputs and 64 general purpose digital I/O pins, plus RS232,RS488 and four CANBus channels... it will certainly won't fall short on possibilities! In the meanwhile, I think I'll be using Megasquirt 2.

Extra knock avoidance methods:

To use maximum boost, I'm planning to add a water-methanol injection. I've got a headlight washer pump for the purpose, though I'm afraid it might be just a little bit undersized, it's capable of about 100LPH at 5 bar pressure. Having 8 bar or more sure wouldn't hurt, smaller the drops the better.


The far out there stuff:
I'm planning a cast iron brace for the bottom end, which would make the journal caps in effect one piece, in an attempt to toughen and smoothen engine behaviour. I just learned also just exactly the secondary imbalance on a four cylinder engine means. Because the pistons near TDC move more rapidly than those near BDC, there's always a vertical imbalance. Longer stroke obviously worsens this so I'm quite determined to make a few.

The power steering pump will probably be eliminated. The turbo downpipe runs a bit too close for comfort, and for clearance issuer I'm quite tied up with free placement of the turbo. A solution might be acquiring a manual rack (4.3 turns lock to lock, s-l-o-w) and steering quickener (2.15 turns lock to lock, heavy!) and possibly an EPS steering shaft from a Toyota Avensis (and then hack the hell out of it to restore driving feel). Those fall more into car mods though, so enough of them until I actually start messing with the car.

I've toyed about making a cast exhaust from high-nickel iron alloy, but a steam pipe bend header is far more likely. Idea of making one out of Inconel (lasts practically forever) fell through after learning just the tube material would cost nearly 1200USD and that didn't include any welding additives or machining or flange material. Anyway it's going to be a tubular manifold, not log, and as-equal-as-possible length runner design, if not completely equal length. One thing I'm going to incorporate is anti reversion cones which should effectively reduce exhaust gas reverse flow, and should allow a bit more aggressive cams than usually found on turbo engines. In theory.

Dry sump. Now this is a tough issue. Transverse engine usually doesn't need one on the same grounds a longitudal would, ie. to ensure oil at both acceleration and deceleration. However, there's more to dry sump than that. First, a dry sump pump won't mind cavitation or running empty; a condition that will break a stock oil pump *very* quickly. The increased oil capacity will make for a much slower oil degradation, and it's easy to preheat the oil in the reservoir using an engine block heater. Also the dry sump will evacuate the crank case pretty thoroughly, which is good for ring seal and oil delivery; crank case at perfect vacuum would give one extra bar of extra oil pressure totally free and without seal popping risk. Also, if the turbo needs to be mounted low, a pump stage can handle turbo draining (and again, a bit of vacuum is good). It all comes down to one thing though; price tag. A dry sump system costs like hell. 1000USD won't get you anywhere even if you could do the sump and accessories yourself. I would feel monumentally stupid to break the engine on a simple oil pump problem, and still, it's yet another huge cost on the engine. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet. But hey, at least I'll save the oil pump O-ring cost, 0.25usd or so....

The forum's now up to speed, so I'll continue with sporadic situation reports when stuff happens.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2009, 11:48:39 AM »

Hey STW,

Great post bud!!

I've got the same LC-1 kit as well. It works awesome!! I'm currently using the second analog output as an narrow band configuration. What's great about this Kit is one can program the analog outputs to any voltage you require. For example Honda ECU's can't accept voltages higer than 3.8V for O2, thus wiring the 2nd analog output to O2 pin of ECU, I have it programmed to those requirements.

We've imported 2 of those kits, so if everyone else is interested, we can get for you.   






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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2009, 12:28:03 PM »

Indeed, LC-1's versatility is what got me hooked. I actually would've preferred that gauge style visually, but the sweep arrangement on the Smoke gauge won over.

My valve train configuration is frozen, ie. I won't alter it any further. The part list is:

Inner valve springs: Stock OEM
Ouer valve springs: Autotech VW VR6 springs, 10.109.623 x16pcs. Needs a small bevel on the bottom coil (slightly oversized)
Intake valves: Ferrea F1848P Nissan VG30DTT
Exhaust valves: Ferrea F1850P Nissan VG30DTT
Valve locks: Stock OEM, exhaust locks replaced with intake locks
Retainers: Stock OEM
Valve spring bottom cup: Stock OEM
Lifters: Stock HLA's in stock buckets. Cleaned with ultrasonic washer.
Cams: FE5A with regrind, unspecified for the time being.

This arrangement should be good up to at least 9k rpm without valve float. Turbo regrinds aren't very aggressive so I'm not expecting any problems from HLA's either.
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2009, 01:28:39 PM »

Alright, stuff has happened since.

The Mazda valve locks didn't turn out too great idea, it's not that easy to machine the valves to fit them. Instead we're now trying if 4A-GE locks would fit the Mazda keepers; they do fit the valve groove.

Also, to no one's surprise, exhaust valve guides were shot. Since FE DOHC guides are quite scarce, we're now trying if BP DOHC guides would fit; it's looking good so far. The BP guide is a few mm shorter than FE, but it hardly matters.

When valve train matters are settled and finished, I'll get the cams reground. One thing I've learned while building this engine is not to anticipate. The specs will fluctuate and then you're in the creek.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 02:02:20 PM »

The motor is becoming a little more difficult to work with as time moves along, partially because not many manufacturers are willing to support the platform (not as popular as the SR20 or 4AGE motors).

I guess the only way of moving forward here on out is really custom fabrication where you can.

I am stuck in a similar boat, so many great ideas very few parts available to realize them.

Can't wait for the updates and what you landed up using for locks.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 08:35:54 PM »

4A-GE are not the answer, they go right through the Mazda retainers. The next stop is to see if CA18 locks and retainers work with Mazda springs. The valve seat job is almost complete though, only slight cleaning up needed. Here are the "Before" and After images. The Before is actually from the scrapped head, but they were pretty much in similar condition anyway...





There actually IS a seat zone on those, but there's no edge on it. It'll probably be more pronounced once the valves are lapped in.
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 08:50:13 PM »

Hehe you can actually see the seat pretty clearly. You cutting the valves at all? Perhaps I missed your post regarding the modification of the valves you found work for your application.

CA18 locks, that's another possibility - how common are they in your country though? One thing is for certain the items you are trial fitting and the discovery of alternate parts streams is exciting, for example, aftermarket performance products for those motors may well "retro-fit" with ours with slight machining when required.

Oh yes, before I forget, I've approached Fidanza directly in a bid to make those cam gears available to our country.
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2009, 08:55:27 PM »

Well bad news on the cam gears, I'd need to purchase a full 25 sets of these before they'll consider another run.

I guess its down to modding my own. If you ever hear of some for sale, let me be the first to know.
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2009, 09:50:05 PM »

It would be possible to cut the lock grooves to accept the Mazda locks, however the groove is so deep I would much rather find a working combination of alternate parts instead of cutting. CA18's are pretty common in fact, and those sportier Nissan parts are really easy to come by in any case.

Shame about the cam gears though. There hasn't been much interest at Finnish site for Fidanzas, as there's a domestic manufacturer (who, however, does price his products rather high, a set from him would set you back between 300-400 USD.) and the other FE DOHC forums have been saturated, more or less. Kia Sportage owners aren't the modding type either.
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2009, 07:52:53 PM »

So, finally, after a year of wait and wondering, the parts have returned home.



And here Here's the head, decked and new valves fitted. Just compare it to how it looked when first taken off the engine:



It's the same lump of aluminium. Seriously.

The block was genuinely ruined, so no sense to post any before-after shots, here's just the replacement block bored, honed, decked and filled:



Here are the finished ports:


The valves were good as they were, but they too received an angle job:


Bolt holes in the flywheel are now in place and flush:


Flywheel and crank balancing should be good up to 10,000RPM. Not that the engine would ever rev that far, but still.

Unfortunately the next stage will take a bit. The studs will arrive in 5-6 weeks, so until then the block and crank got a good coating of grease. I'm still haunted by the fate of the original block.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2009, 12:52:35 AM »

Dammit bro this looks amazing!! cant wait for the finished product.

Want to help me with my tranny build. bump bump Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2009, 08:58:06 AM »

Your engineers in your country are damn good. That valve cut looks great and the port work excellent. I am especially intrigued by the flywheel, have you shaved weight off of it at the same time? How much is it now compared to the stock item.

Wish you all the best dude, the car is going to be killa
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2009, 06:55:14 PM »

Dammit bro this looks amazing!! cant wait for the finished product.

Want to help me with my tranny build. bump bump Cheesy

Well, I can't wait either Cheesy I just wonder how much I have to build the car to make it last with this engine.

With any transmission build I'd only be along the ride, but I do have factory disassembly/assembly and service manual, if you have any use for those Smiley

Your engineers in your country are damn good. That valve cut looks great and the port work excellent. I am especially intrigued by the flywheel, have you shaved weight off of it at the same time? How much is it now compared to the stock item.

Wish you all the best dude, the car is going to be killa

I like the workmanship too Smiley The flywheel is 6kg, about the half of the stock item. There's still room to lighten it about 1kg, but I don't want to do that yet. I hope the car will take the punishment!
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2009, 08:53:09 AM »

I must say - this is one of the best posts on an engine build I have read across all sites. a very good read! I like your choice of components. Smiley

You clearly put alot of time and money into this. i`m sure it`ll be good for high output reliable power.

What is the expected date of completion?
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