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« on: August 10, 2010, 10:52:22 AM »
Ok so my plan at the moment to to totally overhaul my regular 4B11 motor with stock and aftermarket evo X parts, which is very doable  Cool
Also got coilovers on order and will be getting full stabiliser bars and wider light weight rims and tires. Im hoping that will sort out the major part of the traction problem I will have in the future.
For now the brakes are fine, but those too will be upgraded soon.
Who know... if I find a wrecked outlander I might even steal its AWD... but that is a dream for now lol.

Anyways stay pasted Wink
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2010, 09:02:16 AM »
Hello there.
Does anyone know where I can get coilovers and brake lines installed? And how much?

Thanks Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 06:35:38 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2010, 10:22:19 PM »
Dude, any shock place can fit this - if you have a garage you can do it yourself. It's who can set them up once fitted that counts.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2010, 10:49:58 PM »
yeah DIY or any respectable place that does shocks.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 04:02:25 PM »
Quote from: IJIN on August 19, 2010, 10:22:19 PM
Dude, any shock place can fit this - if you have a garage you can do it yourself. It's who can set them up once fitted that counts.

Thats wat I meant.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 05:01:35 PM »
so ummm what seems to be the problem then?

take it to autoquip, hiQ or something that has the right tools.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 07:45:39 PM »
Well I want someone that really knows what they are doing to set it right :/
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2010, 09:19:44 AM »
Quote from: M@verik on August 20, 2010, 07:45:39 PM
Well I want someone that really knows what they are doing to set it right :/
In order to set coilovers up correctly, you actually need to corner balance them. This is a VERY drawn out process & quite a mission actually. If you drive alone 95% of the time, u need to corner balance with your weight taken into account in the drivers seat. If you have passengers quite often, their weights need to be considered at the specific corners.
I don't believe that corner balancing is 100% needed on a daily drive, due to the variables. As a track dedicated car tho, this is a MUST.
The only thing that I think you need to worry about is pre-loading, which if you research or have someone with a lot of knowledge, can be done quite easily.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 09:39:21 AM »
Ok time to bring everyone up to date with my build.
Well I decided not to go turbo after all. Yes the second hand parts were cheap, but the shipping wasnt...
So ive decided to stick with N/A. Busy waiting for cams to be released for the lancer. Should be by the end of the year, and currently got some braces on order from Works.
Also busy waiting to source new disks and pads before fitting the brake lines and coilovers. I wanna do all that in one go.
Anyways the cams should be quite high duration and lift, but not so that it has trouble idling. Also they might come with new valve springs so I can rev even higher.
Also busy deciding whether to do headers at viper which will cost under R3000, but the car will have to be there for over a week, or to order from RPW but they will be close to R6000 delivered...

Otherwise thats it for. Oh and I had the timing advanced even more and now I have to run octane booster, but damn does it run well Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 10:33:20 AM »
Good to see you're at least continuing albeit in a completely different direction.

Just some points from my side:

1.) Loopy idle is a characteristic of lobe separation not lift. What duration will these camshafts be?

2.) If lift exceeds oem specs you may well be needing a valve train upgrade anyway. Valve springs etc. are not only there for rev ability but also to keep the rest of the assembly in check during normal operation.

3.) Your comment about timing being advanced :-) who did this for you and why? You've moved every cylinder event time for spark through out the entire rpm range. What you're feeling in power is actually some quicker torque production low down but most likely suffering on power higher up (because no tuning work was actually done).

Not trying to discourage the practice. Just giving you heads up that there is a whole lot more going on than that 1 deg + advance that was carried out ;-)
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 01:06:14 PM »
Your car probably does have a knock sensor to retard timing when experiencing knock events, but just don't trust it above 6000rpm cause the KS circuitry cuts out due to too much valve train noises.

Just to be on the safe side, have it dyno'ed and let someone (with the right equipment) listen for knock so you can be sure your engine is not getting damaged.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 06:35:45 PM »
Dont worry it was tuned. It makes plenty of power at the top. This was just some extra fine tuning done.
Also the car does have a knock sensor and I dont push it past 6000rpm anyway. The RPM limiter was raised to 7000rpm before the fuel is cut, but I wont be running it that high until ive done more strengthening.
As for the cams, not sure what duration they will be as they are still being tested, but im assuming 272 or something around there, not too wild.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2010, 07:48:34 PM »
Timing events on the 272's depending on IN/EX center line may be a bit 'loopy'. When you get the cam card / stuff please share with us.

Oh didn't realize you were running a piggy back or similar? What is your current graph looking like?
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2010, 08:03:06 PM »
Im still running the original ecu. The ecu on the lancer is pretty powerful, so all u gotta do is reflash it.
The graph is very smooth. Nice torque at low revs, decent power at mid rev and god does it bit hard when it comes to 4000... between 4000 and 6000 it screams and accelerates like a beast. Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2010, 08:14:30 PM »
I'm familiar with them - didn't realise you found someone to do the work. The lancer ecu's work the same as the subaru units. Who did the work on the tune?
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2010, 08:16:24 PM »
Sal from Shiva Tuning.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2010, 08:18:54 PM »
Cool Wink I also get the feeling you're not going to spill the beans on your dyno numbers. Fair enough!
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2010, 08:22:53 PM »
Ill wait to finish everything and then fine tune it. But for now lets just say 2.5RS Subarus and 325i slowly fall behind Smiley. Also had a run with a tuned corsa lite today. Was no competition lol.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2010, 08:24:02 PM »
Serious? When you free hit me up with an SMS/PM, like to run you for a comparison.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2010, 08:34:02 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 08:21:27 AM »
How's the project coming along?  Cool
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2011, 10:19:13 AM »
Project is staying still for now. Low on cash and have to sort out brakes, tires and clutch first otherwise I wont be able to use my car lol. Brakes are on the way, for tires I wanna get 18" lightweight wheels too (which are around 12 grand) and clutch is soon to be replaced for a stage 3, but that will need to wait until I have more money and will only need to be replaced in about 2 months I rate.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2011, 10:48:06 AM »
You going turbo? Must be something big if you've gone Stg 3 :-)
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2011, 11:35:37 AM »
Lets just say a evo x will be slower haha.
Going full exo x turbo build with a built engine and evo x stage 2 cams.
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