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« on: September 05, 2009, 12:05:09 PM »

Hi all toyota and car fans...ive got the chizzel shape GLi standard just the mr turbo ecu management...the motor and car has about 510k kms on the clock so its quite old but it still goes very strong for its age! as toyotas do... id like to know what can do to increase the power sumwhat i will have a look at replacing some of the motor parts eg valves injectors just to freshen it up a bit...if any1 can give me any advice aswell as places i can go to do the upgrades it will be much appreciated

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2009, 05:02:24 PM »

Mr Turbo is an easy to use management system but very basic in what it will have control over as you step into more 'elaborate' modifications.

For now though it sounds like you're running it with the stock motor? Correct? Hope you had it installed and tuned so that it's safe while in use (daily or weekends).

Right onto the modifications, before we go any further - are you fitting any of these things by yourself? I recommend you do where you can to A) save heartache from incorrectly fit parts by a vendor who claims to know whats going on but would rather chase the money B) learn about your build and C) because you've actually accomplished the build on your own, you're going to feel a hell of a lot better than dropping cash so someone else can play around :-)

Trust me I've tried both avenues, letting others do the work as they're paid for and since 2008, my own stuff is done along with friends or myself - wherever possible. There are times when you'll HAVE to ask for advice and that is fine. There are also times when you'll have to trust others on your buid ie: tuning aspect from what you've posted and other things like suspension setup etc.

Onto your motor, the AE82 chisel shape you speaking about also known by a code FX16, although Japanese at heart isn't a true JDM vehicle wasn't built in Japan but rather in Fremont California at Toyota's Nummi facility ;-) Not many people know this.

Now... this is what I'd recommend you do. I recommend the below purely because of the chassis age, potential daily drive use and a project that will feel rewarding because you'll attain closure on it. IE: the project isn't massive and something that will take ages to finally complete. When you enter the 'I just want to get it done' phase - the project has taken too much time and more hassle than reward.

1.) There are plenty of parts available, if you struggling to find, ask some of us. Despite this I would rather turn back to Japan for the power plant before even starting! I'd go back to JDM roots with a 4AGZE from AE101 configuration (170PS / 210Nm). PS also known as Pferdestärke is a unit of power measurement in Japan (and other countries) similar to HP, if you convert it back to our metric ways, you're looking at 125Kw.

The reason I'd select this motor is the internals are designed for boost from the standard supercharger and you wouldn't require too much modification later to run more force induction boost from either forms, supercharger or turbo.

2.) Source a Japanese spec AE111 6- Speed transmission. The gears run through quickly until 6th, it's a fun combination of acceleration and fuel economy on longer trips. The code I recommend you look for is a C160. Ratio's are as follows:

1st Gear 3.166
2nd Gear   2.050
3rd Gear 1.481
4th Gear 1.166
5th Gear 0.916
6th Gear 0.725
Reverse Gear 3.250
Final Drive is 4.529

They come in LSD and non LSD models so check for this as well depending on what you prefer. The VIN on cars that contained the code 12C are LSD equipped and the ones with 12A are not.

3.) The above configuration allows the use of aircon too - so no issues there - I like my aircon, not sure if it's a big deal or not for you.

This is the end of phase 1 of the project, you've finished something and can sit back and admire the work gone into sourcing the parts, fitting it all together and the excitement of a supercharged package with minimal effort where you didn't have to spend any...

Think about this, linear boost from the supercharger with zero lag, fully capable of running off pump gas, approximate curb weight of 1047kg (give or take because you'll have weight difference from swap).

You'll be pulling 8.3kg per Kw at the fly which isn't bad - it's not a 1/4 mile rocket but it will definitely be fun to drive around.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 05:10:19 PM »

Ryt so 4agze would be the way to go but im not interested in that just yet...Im a big fan of initial D.. And the 4age...The motor is stil in good condition ...I wil go the 4agze road but later on...What mods can i do 2my current motor and how much wil it cost if anyone knows please as ive askd nissan and mazda guys and they don't want to help me, i think they're scared lol...So pls any ideas??
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 07:28:43 PM »

First thing you need to do before attempting anything further is:

1.) Freshen up that 510000km motor, there's no way it's holding compression like it used to
2.) Fix your ignition issue
3.) Decide on a goal power

When those are done, then look at performance. There's no way in hell I'd push a 500k motor for more - somethings gotta give and it will when you least expect it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 09:58:41 AM »

lol ok ok... so the motor will have to be replaced... 4agze motor will fit on a 4age gearbox for now will it not? i know the motor sells for like 7k is that with the import fee? or can i get 1 for japan auto?

ive got the management already so thats sorted i was thinkin bout goin the 20valve route but its not even much stronger than mine and the 1st 4age is more durable so ive been told... my motor went for a compr test and they said all was fine and well..

so maybe i should put the 4agze motor in...do i have to replace the gearbox as soon as i put the motor in? or can i use the current till i save up and put maybe a rxi gearbox in?
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 10:42:53 AM »

No  Cool

The 4AGE motor you've got is good man, you understanding wrong, just redo seals, rings and every other serviceable part within budget to bring it back down to the equiv. of a 100k motor. Enough le-way to optimise and build upon.

Only go the 4AGZE route if you're looking for more than you already have, the 4AGE still kicks ass in NA form, lot's of work can still be done to it to get it into the 200hp+ bracket.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 01:10:39 PM »

shweet then thats what ill do? any ideas where i can get the parts they were selling "racing valves" on this 1 website billets they say made from stainless steel i think...selling at 75rand each..

ill have a look at that if its gonna cost too much to re do it over which it probably will sumthimes its better to drop a whole new motor in all together my motor and a 20vavle both cost bout 4.5k

but ill take yr advise and see wat all i can change to refresh it... i sorted out my brakes myself that the fools at hi q fitted and messed it up all together then they tell me its my hub thats bent its not their fault! in the mean time they didnt fit the disc properly cos it didnt sit flush against the hub! fools!!

ill try do wer i can myself ... thanx
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 04:38:43 PM »

any ideas where i can get the parts they were selling "racing valves" on this 1 website billets they say made from stainless steel i think...selling at 75rand each..

Stay far away ;-)

A reasonable build worth any mention is going to cost you anywhere between 15k - 50k just for parts (Depending how far you want to go).

Best of luck with your project.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2009, 04:50:23 AM »

ah these corollas remind me of a guy i met 5 years ago in Bloemfontein, his nickname was cableman and he built 4agze motors and import them from japan. I still remember i wanted to have one :lol: but i was too young then for anyone to buy me a car let alone drive one.
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2009, 06:49:50 PM »

tappet gasket replaced
water seal sorted
plugz changed

having probs with the sump nut the previous owners decided to weld it on! lol idiotas!

its pulling pretty decent now ud be suprised ...

changing oil and filters in this weak and found that the problem could be the bougie cords cos i didnt have that prob with the old cords ...the toyota 4age cords are pricey like R 900.00 from midas so if any1 knows where i can get for a cheaper id appreciate it

... then i can do all the seals and rings (all origional parts)

then the 1st run on the dyno ;-)
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2009, 08:08:58 PM »

IMO why not swap the motor out for a 4AGEU unit?

a 20V VVTI derivitive of the popular 4age motor

match it with the gearbox from the same car. AE101 (silver top 20V - 160hp) AE110 (black top 20V - 165hp)

this route is only if you plan to go Normally asperated.

basically a Honda's B16 VTEC rival.
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 08:25:53 AM »

I have thought very hard bout goin that route as it wouldnt be that pricey the motor is about 4.5k ive got the management already... its a simple swap and my current gear box would work as i have friends who have done it...so it would cost me like 7k for the conv MAX....but they hardly faster than my current car and so is a B16 vtec its hardly faster than my car ( note form experience i knw this lol;-])

and i was told that the 16v 4age is a more durable motor but i will consider this b4 i do futher mods thanx
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 08:59:39 AM »

well as things go.
the 4age is a VERY strong and durable motor....do doubt about that.

i do know however that the 20V (black top) respond very well to a decent set of cams.
but as with the evils of Altitude up here in JHB...most NA car suffer up here.

the best choice WRT to R/KW.....4Age TURBO or 4agze turbo.
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 10:04:31 AM »

problem solved: 13bt or 13btt.lol
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2009, 05:11:17 PM »

water problem sorted ... there was nothing wrong with the seal i put in myself but the threads on one of the bolts was finished so had to re thread it ... i just need to cut the 1 metal pipe a bit shorter and put the ruber pipe deeper in cos its roten lol ...

after that the new oil and seals goin in.. ijin know anywhere i can get a decent set of cams fitted in my car and how much will it cost? my brother said il have to get solid lifters and all that but i checked thats only if you goin a bit bigger for now i dont need to go that big as its a daily driving car ...i was looking at like 256 cams ... pls let me know about that exhaust also the N1 exhaust and just let me know what size free flow il have to do ... order me the exhaust ... just help me out and let me know how to go about fitting it ... and what size free flow ill have to get

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2009, 08:10:46 PM »

You have personal message.  Wink Chat tomorrow
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 05:47:51 PM »

So gues wat! The mechanic who did the head screwed me around and fookd up the motor! The rings is messed the oil and water is mixing! Its reachin the end! Although new yrs eve i gave my cuzin a hidin in his corsa wit my car over heatin wen i came home it was hissing lol been standin since then but yesterday stil started;) i went out and bought a 20valve motor so jus getin it fitted...Do i need a new clutch? Probs wit the starter as my gbox only has 1ear inda front and the 20v starter sits at the back...Hav to check if the branch wil be in the way...Starter fits infront tho...The motor is damn neat! Looks new infact...Need a dizzy cap its damn expensive...Frm toyota R 950...Gettin a branch fitted aswel...How much would wiring and mapping/dyno cost? And moddin the dizzy?
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2010, 01:53:21 PM »

Who did the work, name and shame justifiably so we don't ever use them :-)
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 08:47:24 AM »

shaun... A backdoor mechanic from bosmont he replaced my cam belt when it snapped so i thought i'd trust him to replace my head gasket... biggest mistake when i guess its a stepping stone no more backdoor people lol... i think he purposely messed it up so i can go back to him! well my old motor is laying in my garage now so ill see what i can do with it maybe replace all the parts and learn myself or sell it for parts ... will let you know how the 20v runs
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 09:45:26 AM »

20V motors are mean should go really well man
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2010, 09:48:46 AM »

20v lump is a good upgrade for the money. Sorry to hear your misfortune on the cambelt though
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2010, 12:04:56 PM »

So the conversion is nearly complete...Reason 4takin so long...Not having all the parts ready b4 i took out the old motor so twaz difficult to get around...After alota hard work and money and advice from bojangles(my older brother) finally managed to start the new motor up...A friend did the dizzy for me and loaded his old 20v map from his previous car on my mr turbo jus so i can start her up...Car idles but low and rough...Smokes alot though think its running very rich and the motor is noisy...Il have it dyno'd by this week or next and have it ready for the meet...She's alive! Lol
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2010, 08:36:16 AM »

Hi!

Guys the conversion is complete! The motor is running sweet took it to a guy called "Dino" lol what are the odds lol... In town, car made 88 on the wheels BUT the vvt is not switching on i dont know if a signal is been sent from the Mr Turbo. cos i tested it with a globe and the dyno guy told me it switches on at 3000rpm but it did not light up the globe so im goin back to the guy to see if the vvt was set up right... just the vvt and the brakes is a bit weak so those are the 2 things left other than that im happy with the performance Smiley

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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2010, 09:24:54 AM »

Excellent going there :-) nice rev happy motor! Get that VVT issue sorted asap, makes a huge difference in drivability when setup correctly, you could also potentially be losing out on some power.

Brakes, looking for brand name or local? The powerbrake stuff is very good bang for buck locally, if you're looking for something a bit more exotic drop me a PM.

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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2010, 02:43:42 PM »

howsit guys !

still havnt gotten to the bottom of the vvt prob im gonna have my management check cos the signal not coming from the management to swtch the vvt on...

im also bout to do the re service and tune anyone know what oil i can use ? was told to use the platinum spark plugs from toyota which is meant for this motor buts its like R 750 for 4!

any hints tips let me know ..

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